As anyone with a modicum of knowledge about the history of science fiction should know, John Shirley is one of the founders of “cyberpunk” SF. But during his 35-year career, he has reached out to make his mark in a wide variety of genres and literary formats. Aside from the paradigm-shifting short-story collection Heatseeker, a freaking mind-altering cosmic extravaganza that is Splendid Chaos, the frighteningly prophetic Eclipse trilogy and numerous other SF novels, Mr. Shirley has written poetry, urban crime thrillers, Westerns, Lovecraftian horrors, and novelizations based on such cinematic /comic book characters and creatures as John Constantine, Alien, Batman and Predator. He has written lyrics for the band Blue Öyster Cult and performed in punk bands including Panther Moderns. Cinema mavens not quite so well-versed in SF literature might recognize him as the hand behind adapting James O’Barr’s comic book The Crow to the big screen, along with David J. Schow. (Mr. Shirley’s distinctively spiritual take on the villainy as lack of enlightenment and empathy may be gleaned in the way climactic death of Top Dollar is presented) You girls and boys should check out a webpage devoted to him, www.darkecho.com/JohnShirley, where you can download his vocal performances, connect to his regular rantings in the text-jammed blog (it’s simply wall-to-wall, column-to-column writing) and join his other fans (Speaking of fans, make sure you read Bruce Sterling’s note on a “Typical John Shirley Fan” in the “Oddities” section of the webpage) in the message board.
While much of his SF stories and novels are essential readings for anyone seriously interested in the genre, it’s his “dark fantasy” novels, In Darkness Waiting, Wetbones, Demons and The View from Hell, that have the power to instantly make a palpitating fanboy nut out of me. Truly, you haven’t read anything in modern horror until you have splattered your living brain all over a copy of Black Butterflies, a collection of his most perception-warping and mind-shredding tales of terror. His most recent short story collection is Living Shadows, an eclectic assembly of the works not overtly identifiable as SF or horror, gathered together from the early and late stages of his adventurous literary career. It’s a damn fine introduction to the amazing versatility and prowess of John Shirley as a writer.

Due to a strange twist of fate—eh, but actually, mostly, like 90%, due to John’s generosity, and maybe 10% to my own effort, which involved hauling my fat ass all the way across San Francisco on foot, to attend a 1999 reading of his short story collection Really Really Really Really Weird Stories (that’s not two, not three, but four “Really”s, girls and boys!) at a Haight Street bookstore—I have somehow become a friend of John’s, meeting his wonderful family, joining him in his frequent trips to San Francisco to catch new SF/fantasy/horror films, and even making cameo appearances in a number of his novels, for instance, as a scientist-turned-food and eventually a source of spare parts for the nanobot creatures in Crawlers, or as Commander of a space cruiser—yay!—belonging to the Chinese-Asian Nation Cooperative, only to end up as—sigh…–an incubating host for one of the Alien larvae… you get the picture. At least I do get to cleave a racist goon in half with an axe in another novel before being blasted apart by a machine gun: well, I wouldn’t say I’m not evolving as a character.
In person, John Shirley can be pretty intimidating-looking: very pale, with blonde moustache, occasionally dressed in all-black Western cowboy getup that flatters his big frame, you can easily imagine him cast as a charismatic bad guy in a neo-noir film set in San Francisco, cracking a hapless stool pigeon’s arm, say, in a smoky bar, or nonchalantly quoting poetry while clinched in a Mexican stand-off. His voice is surprisingly musical and his eyes go a-twinkle above a boyish grin, when he scores a point against me during our banters. He is a straightforward man, truthful to his emotion, and genuinely spiritual, maintaining a fascinating balance between a consulting detective’s skepticism and faculties of ratiocination on the one hand and a monastic’s open-minded quest for the knowledge and wisdom that can unlock the mysteries of our existence on the other. Mr. Shirley is not a man without his personal demons, but he is also the kind of tough guy who would engage them in a bare-knuckled hand-to-hand combat. I can imagine him keeping one in a wrestler’s head-rock until it coughs up some wisdom, some clue to the enlightenment, a bit like Jacob grappling with an Angel. Trust him to show us things about ourselves that we would rather not admit, honestly and sometimes painfully, but always with fairness and compassion.

For the inaugural segment for (what I hope to be) my informal interview series with artists, thinkers and all-round interesting people I’ve met (and hope to meet someday), I could think of no one more appropriate than Mr. Shirley, surely one of the most innovative, challenging and talented writers I have known throughout my life, personally or otherwise. So, without further ado, here is John Shirley in his own words, discussing his current projects, literary preferences and other issues.
* The following interview conducted on November 12, 2007. All contents therein are copyrighted to Kyu Hyun Kim. No citation without proper acknowledgement of the interviewer is allowed.
Q: How would you characterize the way you write these days?
JS: “Retro-writing,” I’m afraid. I am back to working on a new cyberpunk novel, which I haven’t worked on for twenty years. A small press, Elder Signs, asked me to complete it. Currently I think there is a resurgence of interest in Cyberpunk, so these two things combined led to this novel, which is called Black Glass. It’s based on a movie I and William Gibson were originally working on. At about that time we were also trying to adapt New Rose Hotel, from Gibson’s story.
Q: Have you seen [Abel Ferrara’s] movie version of New Rose Hotel?
JS: No. It had nothing to do with our script. I considered the idea of checking it out in a theater but I ended up not seeing it. We wrote a good script but they never used it.
Q: When did Black Glass start off as a project?
JS: Hmm… late ‘80s… ’89 or ’90. Sometime around there… I wrote a screenplay based on an idea I had, and some input from him, called Macrochip, and I reworked it on my own, without Gibson’s involvement, into a novel. I asked him to revise the novel but he didn’t have time so he released the project to me. Anyway, Gibson’s contribution was to the main premise of the story, which has to do with “mind-cloning,” making a semblance of yourself that talks to people online, on video and so on and people really have no idea whether they are talking to you or your recreated semblances, which say what you’d say. They get periodically updated so that they can catch up with your progress in life, so they are meant to be exact copies of your present mind at work, in large part anyway. And then somebody finds a way to consolidate five of these semblances into one being, to take over and run a huge corporation. They are copied from five board members of the company but what happens is the semblances end up becoming an amalgamation of their worst characteristics, a single, independent malevolent entity. They are opposed by an ex-cop who went to prison trying to protect his brother; his brother’s a “V-Rat,” addicted to a virtual reality equivalent of crack cocaine, and he’s a washed-up grungy rock star, so there’s an echo of my Eclipse trilogy there as well. As you can see, this novel overlaps with my earlier works more than anything I have done in recent years. And of course I had to do a lot of updating, making it in tune with contemporary technology and so on, but I don’t carry it out as far as, say, Cory Doctorow or Richard Morgan, the contemporary cyberpunk writers for whom being up-to-date is like something they do faithfully every day the way a nun goes to Mass. I do keep my work up-to-date but not so far as to use the contemporary jargon from a computer science journal or Wired magazine. ‘Cause if I do that I will just sound like an old guy imitating younger guys. I am bringing the old and the new together and trying to write a noir tale of the future.
Q: Where does the title Black Glass come from?
JS: It’s the name of a nightclub in the novel.
Q: Anything else you are doing?
JS: I am scheduled to complete a novel for Simon & Schuster called Bleak History. It’s about a guy named Bleak but of course it’s also about the bleakness of history, too. Although it’s not yet finished, it has already been optioned by a movie production company.
Q: But it’s not an alternative history novel?
JS: Hmm, not really. It’s about a secret history. I don’t think I am the first one to use this for a fantasy novel but it uses Isaac Newton’s interest in the occult as a background. It’s about a machine that prevents magic from taking place on Earth, and what happens when that machine is turned off.
Q: Sounds wickedly fascinating! So the Enlightenment thinkers have figured out ways to overcome magic, literally. What do you think about your current status as one of the founders of cyberpunk fiction, I mean that’s how you are known in Korea…
JS: Do they have my books in print, in Korean?
Q: Umm… ;;; dammit, I cannot access my brain implant for some reason… it always happens when I try to connect to Korea. (Laughter) But anyway, what I meant to ask was, you have evolved since your cyberpunk days, even during the eight years I have known you personally you have tackled a lot of different genres, different formats and so on… do you see more of a continuum between what you were as a writer in ‘80s and what you are today, or more of a disjuncture? Do you feel you have evolved out of the cyberpunk writer you were, in a sense?
JS: I feel my writing changed a lot. It’s become more nuanced and mature but there is a negative side-effect to maturing. You are not likely to take as many chances. Certain ideas look to you now as so improbable you don’t write about them anymore, whereas when I was young, I really didn’t care about how probable an idea was. If it was cool enough, and as long as it gave rise to a surreal image I liked, you know, I just wrote about it. I had some difficulty getting published because of that but on the other hand these things eventually found their way to print and people loved the freeness of those works. So I try to keep freshness to my imagination and try to make things reasonably believable as well. Unfortunately the tendency as you get older is you get more doubtful about what is possible. And that constriction finds its way into my writing. I struggle against it constantly. I mean, I am not that old but I am old enough to feel the conflict in me.
Q: What’s the good side of having experienced all that you have experienced, having matured as a writer? Is there a kind of wisdom that comes from having been a writer for so long?
JS: Sure, of course. I understand human nature better and can evoke it better
Q: So [maturity is displayed] mostly through characterizations.
JS: I also have more control over my writing. And I have learned more about the nature of the world– politics, history, and so on. I am not as reckless in my writing. Long time ago I’ve written a novel– I’d love to revise the book–titled Three-Ring Psychus, originally called Up!, where gravity gets selectively cancelled on the Earth. But the main focus at that time, for me, was just portraying the image of people and civilization literally floating up in the air. Like something Salvador Dali would have painted. At this point in my life, I would probably be reluctant to write such a thing. But I miss writing recklessly, so sometimes I write stories like “Miss Singularity” [in Living Shadows], to consciously let go of the restraints, let imagination run like a wild horse and create the world where almost anything can happen, as I used to.
Q: I’ve read a lot of your stories, and some in which the images, say, abstract paintings, Cubist and whatnot, have lives of their own, they are almost like living creatures, speaking directly and immediately to our brains without being mediated through a rational process…
JS: Like A Splendid Chaos?
Q: Ah no, I’m thinking more of your short stories. These images elicit responses from us, like “What the hell is that?” or “Wow it’s really beautiful but also somehow disturbing.” And you just spin whole stories out of these images and our non-articulated reactions to them, which I find really interesting.
JS: Yeah, if you look at surrealist paintings they seem to contain whole other worlds within them, you know. A Max Ernst painting, it seems to operate with its own laws, and artists like Tanguy, they did paintings, landscapes with their own internal logic. I try to create settings in some of my stories in which people’s inner landscapes can be totally fantastic, but from their points of view, they are internally logical.
Q: You think maybe you are like Edgar Allan Poe in that respect?
JS: Well, Poe was into taking an idea and extrapolating from it…
Q: But he was also graphic and immediate and you can relate to his writings on a visceral level, too.
JS: You could say that. I’ve been an avid reader of Poe since I was very young… I did collaborate with him, you know, in “Blind Eye,” [Expanded from the actual unpublished fragment written by Poe, and originally published in Poe’s Lighthouse] even though he died on me, like a hundred years ago. (Laughter)
Q: Ah, that’s right! (Laughter) OK, can you tell me anything that pops into your mind when you hear the following names: Edgar Allan Poe, Ambrose Bierce and H. P. Lovecraft?
JS: What about them?
Q: Oh, you can just tell me what you think about them.
JS: Well, Poe is a master of atmosphere, and when he was great he was great, you know. He experimented a lot, too, and I respect that. Lovecraft is more derivative of Poe than many people realize. I think Lovecraft’s prose is heavily influenced by Poe’s poetry, but having said that, obviously he was a very imaginative writer, and people have been stealing from him for many, many years. He was a bigot but I read from biographies that he did get over some of these negative racist views, at least to a degree, just before he died. I recently wrote a story for High Seas Cthulhu, a kind of effort to lay the ghost of Lovecraft’s bigotry, in which African former slaves use Dagon to wreak vengeance on white slave-masters. As for Ambrose Bierce, his sense of irony probably affected me, and of course, everyone has read “An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge.” That’s really a story that haunted me for all my life, because it lays down this situation of you surviving a horrible situation only to find out that you haven’t really survived it at all. We can only temporarily keep mortality at bay, in other words. Also to me, the real horrors of the world are dealing with human monsters, and I believe Bierce had the same attitude.
(To be continued in Part 2)